Samuel here.
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Did you know I like space? I like space! So when Newt Gingrich recently announced he wanted a base on the moon by 2020, I got pretty excited. I have spent much of the past week fantasizing about Newt Gingrich's space policy winning him a landslide victory in Florida , forcing Romney and Obama to both adopt daring plans to spend lots and lots of money on stuff I think is cool. While I'm not exactly holding out for that, I would like to discuss why I think Gingrich wanting a moon colony is super awesome. The person who wrote this status didn't exactly give me a lot of meaty opposition to sink my teeth into, so I get to be a bit freer with my structure this time around. But I will address the comments at the end.
I'm not going to discuss in this article why I think that space exploration and colonization are necessary, because I simply don't have enough time or space; I am essentially building my life around that philosophy, so I would like to give it a little more room than a weekly blog post allows for. So, for the sake of this post, let me take the axiom that space exploration and colonization are both desirable.
Anyone who thinks that space policy is the most important aspect of this election should be out campaigning for Newt Gingrich right now. Every other candidate's space policy sucks. Throughout this whole Republican primary, everyone but Gingrich has consistently brushed off questions about NASA by making irrelevant statements about government funding or about really, really caring about the middle class. Newt Gingrich has always taken a hard line in favour of government-led exploration and colonization of space. That impresses me a great deal. I acknowledge that his motives are different from mine; Gingrich wants to see increased space exploration because he wants to feel that America Is Great Again. But space exploration is a very, very tough line to sell. People see it as a waste of tax dollars and a waste of resources, as too abstract and complex a concept to be worth their attention. But it's very easy to sell "the Chinese are going to win". So if you can sell it that way, you sell it that way. No one disparages the moon landing for being the epitome of Cold War tensions, and we wouldn't disparage a moon base if it was the product of a bunch of old white guys being afraid of Chinese people. For such is the nature of democracy.
"Hold on", you say, "slow down! We must immediately know why Newt Gingrich is the best candidate on space policy!"
Good! Let's talk Republicans.
Herman Cain probably put the second-most thought into space policy. He wanted to de-fund NASA, and instead provide incentives to private corporations. But that doesn't make any sense at all. If his objection is to the government directly employing space systems engineers, he has to understand that pumping as much money into the private sector will employ just as many engineers. If he wants to cut spending, just cut the NASA budget (please don't cut the NASA budget!). If he wants nationalistic space innovation, obviously it's better for NASA to be an organ of the government. What suddenly defunding NASA would do is to take all of the people who know everything about space travel, destroy the structure within which they operate, and scatter them about the world. We would see a massive spike in space disasters from upstart companies that simply didn't have the expertise to launch craft, we would see a whole lot of way too risky business plans that would flop and take taxpayer dollars with them, and worst of all I'm not convinced we would ever see any exploration or colonization again. There is no profit incentive in exploration or research. No private company would ever have launched the Hubble Space Telescope or the International Space Station. SpaceX sure isn't going to pay to house a woman on Mars. Private companies simply perform a very different function than government-mandated ones. NASA exists for far-seeing presidents to tell the world that they want a man on the moon and they're going to get it before the end of the decade. Boeing does not take orders from the president, and it shouldn't have to.
Mitt Romney has been relentlessly jabbing at Newt Gingrich for the idea of having a moonbase by the year 2020. He claims that such elaborate schemes would be to the detriment of the U.S. economy. I am fundamentally confused by that idea. Firstly, well over $500,000,000,000 is spent annually on the American military, and the recent post-Iraq cuts of $23,000,000,000 by the Obama administration --- with the consent and encouragement of the highest ranking officers --- shows that that budget is malleable. I do not buy the argument that America lacks the funds to launch at least a barebones attempt at colonization. Secondly, where does he imagine those funds are going? The government isn't going to outsource space R&D to Kazakhstan . Newt Gingrich knew what he was doing when he announced bold plans for space just before the Florida primary. NASA cuts cost jobs in Cape Canaveral. NASA grants make jobs in Cape Canaveral . It's as simple as that. Now, I know the Republicans aren't generally the biggest proponents of Keynes, but Gingrich had no trouble playing that tune on the space coast when he made his announcement. Once again, Mitt Romney is taking the easy way out.
Rick Santorum seemingly has no opinions about space. That's like having no opinion about dinosaurs. It's like thinking that love is "pretty okay". It's like going for a walk alone late at night and all you can think about is arithmetic. I can only surmise that Rick Santorum is made of cardboard.
Ron Paul, of course, would de-fund everything. That goes against the axiom that I arbitrarily selected, so sucks to be Ron Paul in this analysis.
And I will ignore Michele Bachmann and John Huntsman and whoever else may at one point have been running, because they certainly were not memorable for their space policy.
I am also going to ignore Barack Obama for the time being, in the hopes that his space policy develops over the course of the general election. I don't like to compare actions to words, so I would like to wait to hear from him again about this first. If the Democratic party line doesn't change, though, please tune in for more whining. But let me say this, for now: I want the manned space program back.
So why do I like what Newt Gingrich has to say? Well, honestly, I don't really like it. But it's way better than most people would have you think it is. Firstly, there are few humans alive today who would not agree that the landing on the moon was one of the greatest moments in the history of our species. Let us not forget that that was, if you'll excuse the expression, totally just a shot in the dark. There was absolutely no reason for Kennedy to believe that it would be possible to place men on the moon by 1970. And yet, with sufficient political willpower and a shitload of money, they accomplished it.
Unlike the second commenter on the status, I have no trouble believing that a similar fiscal and political push would get us a permanent colony on the moon by 2020. The first commenter suggests a concrete platform, but that would require either bringing concrete there (and mixing it along the way?), or synthesizing, pouring, and moulding concrete on the moon, which is absurd at best (sorry to harp on this, but I once lost a space design contest to someone who suggested exactly that for a Mars colony). No, we easily have the technology to build a moonbase, and I have seen it myself. Basically, you just send some of these rovers to the moon and have them flatten out a spot of ground. Then you can stably land craft there. Inflate some places to live and all the rest is for the biologists to figure out. For those of you who think that the political molasses is too strong for us to fund colonization projects within our lifetime, I would like to direct you to Project Horizon and more generally to this Wikipedia article. Is it night? Are the skies clear? If so, walk outside and look up. And then you will truly understand why we can and will summon the political courage to branch out into space.
"That's all fine and dandy", you say, unaware that nobody actually speaks like that, "but there are still huge engineering problems with colonizing the moon!" Yup. Watch. We'll fix them. We always do.
"But how does that justify campaigning on that platform? We want our politicians to have vision, but not to be impractical." This is usually true. But I don't see anything wrong with wanting to do something really, really worthwhile that you aren't sure you'll be able to do. The only problem with impracticality in politics is if it could be damaging; removing social security or Medicare, for instance, is impractical. By all means, if we're making people suffer because we're colonizing the moon, then we're monsters (moonsters?). But there is absolutely no reason that Gingrich should have to hurt people in order to get to the moon.
I think that the third commenter perfectly sums up everything that was wrong with the public reaction to Gingrich's suggestion (the youtube link is a link to circus music). This is the most courageous thing I have seen anyone do in this election cycle so far, and Newt Gingrich should be applauded for trying to sell something that he believes in. I can only hope the Democratic Party picks up their tremendous slack, and --- this is hard for me to write --- follows in the footsteps of Newton Leroy Gingrich.
P.S. I'm not going to touch all that stuff he said about lunar statehood. What a nutbar.
Keep on trucking.
Keep on trucking.
I would like to formally announce that it particularly tickled my fancy when you suggested Rick Santorum was made of cardboard, and I like that you were civil and polite. Because I would also like to formally announce that the participators in that facebook status and subsequent comments should be kicked out of social networking
ReplyDeleteAlso the article's fairly long but I don't know what to leave out, frankly
Philippe here.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that it's so bad to mock Gingrich's space program. Like you say, the guy seems to be a nutbar.
If Mitt Romney or some other maybe-too-slick politician suggested lunar colonization then I'd applaud his bravery. But when Gingrich promises it it sounds like the delusional ranting of a lunatic. Because it's hard to take Gingrich seriously.
Did he say that he'd send 13 000 people during his time as president? Because if so, that absurd. Ambition is good, but that's a bit much.
What did he say about lunar statehood?
PS: I agree that we need to move into space eventually, but I'm in no hurry. I think we should focus on underground/underwater living and altering/freezing the human body first, so as to lay some useful groundwork for space colonization. And so as to get some immediate benefits.
I think it's good to mock the nutbar parts of what he says, but this status seems to take objection to the idea of rushing to a moonbase itself. Which is not at all a nutbar idea. And if it is a nutbar idea to think we can accomplish that by 2020, I certainly don't care. It's an awesome one.
DeleteI generally avoid reacting to ideas based on how I feel about the person presenting them. If it were Donald Trump advocating immediate moon colonization, I would be celebrating. I know that Newt Gingrich is known for having tons of terrible ideas, but that should have absolutely nothing at all to do with the quality of this idea or his political bravery in clearly fashioning a campaign event around it.
Here's an article that came out today (that I WISH had been written yesterday) that should answer some of your objections http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SciTech/20120201/gingrich-moon-plan-is-legitimate-experts-say-120201/
I, and the sources in the article, certainly agree that he takes it too far. But that's to be expected. Leave the details up to the hundreds of thousands of engineers who would happily take this project on. All he would ever need to do is fund it.
Gingrich had this to say about lunar statehood: http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/newt-gingrichs-laws-for-governing-a-space-colony
PS: now you're just haggling over the details. No reason we shouldn't do both at the same time. I realized about a year ago that almost every single reason I want to go to space also supports colonizing the oceans. So let's go.
EDIT: ARGH formatting
Hey, I mean, it's fair to mock Gingrich. But having a permanent base by the end of the second term (that's 8 years unless I don't know what a term is) isn't totally, laughably unrealistic. It may be if Gingrich is off his rocker, yes, but the status doesn't mention it. So the status itself is basically mocking some guy for saying words simply because that guy is Newt Gingrich. It's like laughing at George Bush for saying "It's going to rain this afternoon" (which I bet a disturbing amount of people would do). Yes, the guy is famous for being clueless, but the statement itself isn't unreasonable. The third comment does manage to point out that Gingrich is a nutball, which sort of justifies the mocking, but then randomly insults a wide range of people for absolutely no reason at all.
DeleteBasically, I agree with what you're saying and what the people on facebook are (presumably) saying, but you're being reasonable and trying to have a discussion, and the people on facebook are having a circlejerk because gosh they are just so clever and perfect and how about them republicians man they are stupid eh?
Philippe here again.
DeleteIt is indeed a bit like laughing at Bush for saying it's going to rain.
But is that really so bad? It's silly and childish, certainly, but it isn't worse than par for the course in politics. At least, I don't think it is.
On a scale of one to Obama is secretly an Arab and Bush planned 9/11, I'd say that this is about a 4.
It's silly and childish, and it's par for the course, but that doesn't mean it's not bad. It's bad to judge an idea's merit upon who came up with it. If we shoot down ideas because the person who came up with it is supposedly stupid, or crazy, or what have you, then we're going to run out of ideas. Certainly that's a bit of an exaggeration, but still.
DeleteAwww why did I have to be orange? That's one of the lesser colours in terms of coolness. Now I love space as much as the next guy, but in this competitive economic times I don't think a space colony is the way to go. The way to go is to put R&D money into things every consumer on the planet will want. So the LFTR of course, but also cars and GPS and computers and GE crops and vaccines, you know there's lots of stuff you can do research and develop that will put the West back on top economically and in terms of standard of living, without having to invest in ion drives or oxygen delivery systems and other technologies which are cool, but are not that practical and a bit of a luxury now
ReplyDeleteI agree that we should be investing in all those things (I have been eager to find something on my news feed that would allow me to write about the LFTR), but I disagree with the implication that they are mutually exclusive. I copied out the figure for annual military spending and the figure for the recent cuts. I honestly don't understand why we pay for American soldiers to live in Australia, and why no one thinks that's pork barrel spending. I honestly don't get it. No one has ever given me a satisfactory explanation for that. Until I receive that explanation, I am going to operate on the assumption that we could easily fund all the science and Keynesian public works we can get our hands on.
DeleteAlso, you read Cosmos. I know you will agree that when we fund space travel, we invent a cast variety of incredibly versatile objects for public consumption, and we make crucial discoveries about our planet. Obviously that by itself is not a great reason to fund space travel (just fund inventions!), but I absolutely believe that the two are inseparable, and funding space travel, or any science/engineering, directly improves everyone's quality of life in ways we cannot possibly foresee.
I can't speak to Australia specifically, or whether present troop levels are entirely justified, but the navy's presence in international waters is more important than I think you give it credit for, and boats are very slow. Look at the fights American ships have had with Somalian pirates in the last several years, or even at sea rescue operations in general; if all American ships and resources were back home, it would've taken weeks more to get there, the kind of time most crisis situations don't have. Some kind of base in the Pacific, near Africa, etc. is important.
Delete@Astrophobe:
DeleteSpinoff products are not a viable business plan. You can't justify spending on a project by believing that your R&D may have side benefits.
@Calvin:
Thomas Olson, speaking at the Faces of Space Symposium, tried to introduce the notion of a space-scalable solution. This is a business model where you propose to solve ground-based problems who's solutions will be applicable in space. For example, UGuelph has a robotic greenhouse in the arctic, and they are the top advanced life-support lab in the world. This opens you up to a larger pool of investors, and ensures that you will have customers beyond space colonies which may or may not get started in the next 8 years.
The point I am making is that the problems of living in space overlap substantially with the problems of living in general: you have to breathe, eat, exercise, maintain health, etc. Let's solve the problems on the ground and take the solutions into space. (For great justice.)
Hey, Stefan, that's exactly what I said to you the last time I saw you. Also, I tried to cover that base with "Obviously that by itself is not a great reason to fund space travel (just fund inventions!)"
DeleteI realize that it's not a good reason by itself to fund space R&D. But I do think that you cannot ignore it in the hedonic calculus; if funding science has had positive side effects every time, it's reasonable to assume that it will have positive side effects the next time you do it. So you cannot view the money as funding just that science in a vacuum, and you cannot make the case that the money is effectively lost to the average consumer. Because the record of spinoffs from large-scale engineering projects shows that that simply isn't true.
He did say 13,000 people, I'm not sure if it was during his presidency. Once the colony attained that number they could petition to become a state.
ReplyDeleteWhich I thought was illegal, but turns out that of the treaties I was thinking of one applies only to military bases/nuclear weapons, and the other wasn't ratified by anybody and was generally ignored.
PS: Have you read 'Waterclap' by Asimov?
Right, you make a very important distinction. I can find no record of him saying that 13,000 people would live on the moon by 2020. Which is a very crucial difference.
DeleteI have not read Waterclap. Should I?
If you like moon and undersea colonisation.
DeleteThis comment was meant to be a reply to Philippe, but I think you'd like to read it as well.
It's collected in Bicentennial Man.
I took your advice last night, and looked up. The sky was clear. A waxing quarter moon lit a gorgeous twin pathway--a high cloud that originated in the east at about 15 degrees, bifurcated, and traversed the entire dome of the sky in two broad streamers, wisping out to nothingness in the west at about 30 degrees. Two planets were also visible, despite city lighting--Venus and Jupiter, I believe. Quite a display.
ReplyDeleteYou also, for the first time, have me wondering which Newton our Gingrich was named for. (But not enough to look it up.)